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Why this surgery should not ever be done for vanity's sake.

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Hi all,
I've been hanging out once in a while after being a major contributor here for 18 mo and I've been really soul searching on this post because I know some of you will not agree. I feel this needs to be said, anyway. It's just my opinion with some experience thrown in and you can take it or leave it but for the newbies, especially those going to MX and having not much or any pre-surg classes or info, it's important.

Please do not get this surgery if you are doing it to lose 50 lbs. Bariatric surgery is dangerous, and can have many side effects you are not anticipating. This is the kind of thing meant for those 100 lbs overweight or more, or a bit less with health issues. And by health issues I don't mean just needing a cpap machine. I mean serious health issues.

For those who don't know me here, I had my surgery in Aug 2011. I dropped 117 lbs and have gained a few back, but am still over 100 down. Did I lose weight? Sure! Not all I wanted by a long shot but yes, I dropped 100+ lbs. I also gained post bariatric reactive hypoglycemia and (just finally confirmed) gastroparesis because of my vagus nerve being injured during surgery. I haven't had a day without stomach pain or a sugar issue in over a year. I'm midway though applying for disability. I am far more ill now than I was at 335 lbs. I hurt as much as I ever did or more, with my myofascial pain, not a bit has changed there. I still need a cpap machine. I still have exertion asthma.
I also cannot ever again eat eggs, ground beef, any raw veggies but soft lettuce - any gassy or fiberous foods at all, seeds, nuts, or most grains (low residue diet) and in general I truly wish I could just live on liquids because I am so thoroughly sick of dealing with eating just the right food 8 times a day.

I wish I had never, ever done this thing.
I was healthier and happier when I was fatter. Seriously.

I know this will not be a popular thought process and while I was in the weight loss high portion of the program I would have said I loved my sleeve and I also know there are hundreds of folks here who had the surgery, did great and have wonderfully changed lives. But you need to know there are risks here. Many, like the hypoglycemia, don't show up for at least 9 months. Gastroparesis can be up to 2 yrs out (mine was 13 months).

I know I am one of the few that gets this bad off after this surgery, but about 3% will get the lifelong hypoglycemia. They will more likely be women and also have had normal blood sugar or periods of hypo in the past. About 30% will need their gallbladder removed (mine was 10 wks ago) and I don't have numbers on gastroparesis after this surgery but let's just say my gastro said it's more common than people think it is.
I am the perfect storm, obviously, but I'm also a cautionary tale.
If you need this surgery to help save your life - to help with diabetes, or high blood pressure, or some other co-morbidity and you are sure you can make the changes necessary for LIFE to your eating patterns, then by all means, go for it and I truly wish you all the best and hope it is the miracle you are looking for.
If you are not morbidly obese and really can't say you need this to save your life, I urge you to think hard about what might happen and please do not just run off and have most of your stomach cut out for vanity's sake.

Being 50 lbs overweight is not the end of the world. Truly, it is not.

I hope you know I wish everyone the best, that's why I'm here and why I always have been. But know this. This is not a walk in the park. It's not a cure all. Sometimes it's not even a cure some.
Think hard about this. Educate yourself. See psych. Be certain you have a good surgeon with LOTS of experience. Read a lot of books by those who have had the surgery. It's an emotional roller coaster on top of the physical issues. Prepare yourselves, please. Then if you choose to do this, do it informed, at least and I hope it's all you want it to be.
Peace - Grace

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  1. Rox's Avatar
    Thank you for your honesty. I have been spending my time reading the stories of people who regret this surgery or had complications or ended up in the ICU or had late effects. I do have 100 lbs to lose and will have surgery in Mexico because I am self-pay. I put 10 years of thought into WLS, I am trying to be as informed as possible.
    I am so sorry about your experience - I am completely aware that this surgery is NOT all sunshine and unicorns. I also know that I lose the same 10,20,40LBS over and over. I know myself and unfortunately with my weight - there's no place to go but up.
    You don't need to apologize for taking time off from this site - the whole idea of surgery is to have a "life", not to be on a website forever.
    Thank you so much for sharing your stuggles
  2. ACE's Avatar
    Oh Grace I am sorry you are in such bad shape. I agree with you about the vanity part of it and all and I know what you mean about things not getting better. I was told all my life that once I lost the weight the pain would decrease or go away all together, NOPE! I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia last year and I am still having issues with stomach pain that no one can understand. Now being pregnant again my body is doing all kinds of really weird things and its really a mental roller coaster when I cant eat something today that was fine yesterday. I am almost positive that my gallbladder is in need of removal but the Dr.s don't listen well at times so I guess after enough trips to the ER they might finally get it. Anyway I am so so sorry you are going threw this and I wish there was something I could do to help. I am glad you posted this because as you said I have been on the "high" of loosing but there are downsides to this as well and people should be well informed on the life altering things that can happen. And like you said if you aren't 100% committed to a lifelong dietary change then this is not a good idea.
    I hope you get to feeling better soon or something changes and things get better for you! Hugs!
  3. ACE's Avatar
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    Updated 05-28-2013 at 01:50 PM by ACE (Posted twice)
  4. cecilia55's Avatar
    Grace
    I am very sad that you ended up with all these health issues. You have always been a great counselor. You are honest and say things as they are. I completely agree that if someone is doing this for vanity sake that they should not do it. Health issues are a different story. One has to weigh out the pros and cons of health. Thank you for all that you share with us. The good the bad and the ugly. I pray God will shine his light on you and help you deal with everything. When you have a moment please keep us updated.
  5. cecilia55's Avatar
    Grace
    I am very sad that you ended up with all these health issues. You have always been a great counselor. You are honest and say things as they are. I completely agree that if someone is doing this for vanity sake that they should not do it. Health issues are a different story. One has to weigh out the pros and cons of health. Thank you for all that you share with us. The good the bad and the ugly. I pray God will shine his light on you and help you deal with everything. When you have a moment please keep us updated.
  6. cecilia55's Avatar
    Sorry It posted twice
  7. cbridges1962's Avatar
    I commend you for posting the truth. I am 3 weeks out and doing very well. I fear things could go wrong, but pray always for God to look out for us sleevers. I had this surgery because I couldn't get control of my diabetes, even with insulin, diet and exercise. My sugars are in the normal range for the first time in many years. I feel if a person is going to have a threat of life or limb then the risk is so worth it. If someone is just overweight, HELL NO, it's not worth it. I don't regret it for a moment though.

    I am encouraging my 26 y/o daughter to change her ways now, while her body is young. She has inherited this awful fat gene.

    Best of luck to you and I pray things get better for you.
  8. speedracer's Avatar
    I dont think in the U.S, any surgeon would approve weight loss surgery for 50 or so vanity pounds. Granted, if you have $4750, and a passport, you can go to Mexico, and have the surgery at your own risk.

    I appreciate you taking the time, to write about your journey. I feel like the people who have adverse side effects, and long term issues, we rarely, if EVER hear from. I just commented about this exact subject yesterday on DECEMBER 's blog.

    So thank you for sharing your journey with us, and giving us a true scope of what to expect, in the rare occurance something doesnt go as "glamerous" as some surgeons paint it out to be.

    I wish you lots of success in the rest of your journey, peaceful and painfree days-
  9. Anissa Christine's Avatar
    As I have admitted in a previous blog..the primary reason I had this surgery was vanity. I was 105 pounds overweight however I did not have any comorbidities. So it would be wrong for me to say I did this to "save my life". Was I heading that way? Possibly...but I have lost and gained weight so many times over my life span it's hard to be 100% certain.

    Not only was I "tired" of losing and gaining weight...I was tired of looking at my reflection and breaking down in tears. I HATED myself...sure I went around saying "I love myself just the way I am...and if people don't like me because of my weight screw them"...LIES ALL LIES!

    I agree with you 100% that this surgery is not the cure. I have had to restructure 30+ years of "mental food schemas"/poor eating behaviors (excessive binging)...I have had to literally "work my a** off" to get these results...I have had to seek professional help for "body image issues". And the emotions?? OMGoodness they are all over the map...I have never been so emotional in all my life. But again..something I am seeking professional help for.

    I have not experienced any negative side effects. But know they are always a possibility...regardless of how "great" I may be feeling today. I really empathize with your situation, and hope that things WILL get better. No one who is trying to better themselves deserves this kind of predicament (for lack of a better word).

    I am sending all the positive vibes I can possibly muster your way...I have always enjoyed your posts. Take care Grace.
  10. Jewel's Avatar
    ((((((((((((( Grace ))))))))))))))))))))))

    You and I have gone thru this journey together and all of your posts have been insightful, helpful and worthwhile. This post is no different than any others - honest, as always. But it breaks my heart not to hear the smile in your voice that, even on the bad days, has always been there.

    I must admit, I need to look up those conditions as I don't know much about them, but thank you for sharing what's going on with you. I will be sending all of the good vibes that I can muster your way and I hope that you're able to find peace where you are along this journey.

    sending love..
  11. Grace's Avatar
    Oh, I'm not entirely negative... just frustrated. We're packing up this lovely house we built with our own hands 11 yrs ago - (or I should say paying people to pack us up, I'm useless most of the time) and moving closer to my daughters and grandkids...and the only warm pool in the area that I can afford. Once we get closer and I have family and a place to exercise, my docs are saying I'll do better than to leave the house once a week for groceries. The myofascial pain gets me down the most, along with the food issues, and just plain exhaustion because I'm "malnourished" and anemic because not much good is absorbing. I'm just hanging in waiting for the next chapter and hoping with 8 diagnoses and 11 doctors on my side I get my disability and can get on with trying to have some sort of quality of life. But truly, I would rather be healthy and working and using my degree.... my one thankfulness is that I didn't have the bypass because I wouldn't be absorbing much of anything and I'd be on an IV by now.
  12. calliegirl's Avatar
    Your honesty is quite refreshing. You are so right that this type of surgery has to be done for the right reasons. I am so sorry that you are experiencing so many additional health issues after the surgery. For me, it has been wonderful....I have lost 80 pounds so far and would still like to lose the final 20 but it's okay if I don't. I feel so much better now and my energy level is so much higher. My blood pressure is considerably better and I am off so many other meds. Even the pain from my RA is improved....I no longer take daily pain meds so I feel like I have gotten my life back. However, everyone is different and any type of surgery needs to undertaken only after much thought and should never be a rushed decision. Good luck and I can only pray that your health will improve.
  13. lovesaqha's Avatar
    I wonder why you aren't just wasting away if you are malnourished and you're not absorbing the nutrients? Have your doctors got an answer for that?
  14. CoComom's Avatar
    Sorry to hear of all your troubles, but I appreciate your honesty. Hope things start getting better for you.
  15. Grace's Avatar
    @lovesaqha - I wish I knew. I appear to need very little food to live on and the liquids I am drinking are helping. I've asked the same question - why at least am I not thin if I have to go through this? They don't have answers, just guesses that it has to do with my hypoglycemia and the fact that even if we don't get nutrients from our food we do absorb the fats and minimal nutrients farther down in the intestines. Naturopath tells me I need at least 120 gms of protein a day to absorb for my body type and by my blood tests I'm lucky if I'm getting 40 even though I'm diligently working on getting 150 into my mouth. Having a stomach scope as soon as I can afford it (copay) and that will perhaps finally tell something. Taking several stomach meds as well. Mostly I'm just so tired that sometimes I am walking across my house and want to just lie down on the floor right in that spot and rest. Haven't decided if I'll go to my 2 yr check up in August. I think if they told me I messed this up I might just go ballistic.
  16. wrightstuff12's Avatar
    I wish I read this before my surgery. I only had 50 pounds to lose, but had diabetes. Tried 35 years to lose weight and nothing worked. I remember relatives having body parts cut off and losing their eyesight. My endocrinologist said to do this instead of the lapband. I had a hiatal hernia repaired, and it irritated the vagus nerve. My neck and head and shoulders hurt, I feel a little shaky. I hope this doesn't happen to me, and I pray that you may recover. Any advice would be appreciated
  17. bikrchk's Avatar
    Thank you for your very honest post. I'm truly sorry for your troubles and *hope* that no respectable bariatric surgeon in the US would perform a sleeve on someone with no health issues. That said, I was sleeved in October with 90-100 lbs to lose. I did have uncontrolled "asthma" and high bp controlled on three different meds. Aside from the medical issues, I now understand I was depressed before. Three years since my divorce, I'd pretty much become a semi-hermit. I have to work, and buy groceries and occasionally would meet up with a few close friends, but did not relish the opportunity to "get out" and would spend my time playing video games or watching TV. I was not comfortable in my own skin. I didn't like that version of me.

    Fast forward 3 months and yes, I am off my medications, 50lbs down and enjoy an hour on my elliptical, walking the dogs and doing yoga several times per week. But probably the most dramatic change has been in my confidence. I'm more confident at work and on track for a promotion now. I have jumped back into the dating pool, (ya think three years, four with the separation, is long enough)? I am enjoying the attention and socialization opportunities. I seek out more time with my friends and family. I SMILE now. Vanity? Maybe, but you can't put a price on emotional well being. I'd take the risk again in a heartbeat.

    I still have 40-50 lbs to go, but I feel amazing now and intend to enjoy the rest of my weight loss journey and my life as a healthy person, both medically and emotionally.
  18. Grace's Avatar
    I wasn't trying to discourage folks who need this and are willing to take the chance. I was simply taking off the rose colored glasses and keeping it real. This stuff does happen, rarely, but it does....