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    Default Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    We all know that the refined sugars are not good for us.
    However... at least we know what exactly is in them.
    Artificial sweeteners are more highly processed that refined sugars...
    And most of the time we don't know what is in them exactly.
    And there are the natural sugars, like honey, maple syrup, agave syrup.

    I like my morning coffee a bit sweet.
    I use artificial sweeteners.
    I also put them in my yoghurt with oats, my breakfast.
    And I use water enhancers, because I still can't drink water, but there are also artificial sweeteners in that.

    The body reacts to all these forms of sweets in the same way, it does not make the distinction between artificial, processed or natural.
    It will store the "sugars" as fat.

    So here is my question: what is best to use?
    And is the refined granulated sugar worse than the artificial ones?
    Or is that just good, clever marketing, like with the margarine vs real butter discussion a couple of years ago?
    And what about the natural sugars?

    I only drink one coffee during the day and I want that to be a little sweet.
    Likewise with my yoghurt.
    That is all the sweets I use per day, no cookies, candy or whatever.
    My water enhancer is just a small amount.

    What are your thoughts on this?
    Why not eat the refined sugar, if that small amount is all I use and the body does not know the difference?
    English is not my first language, so I may and do make mistakes in my spelling, or say things oddly. Please ask me, if you want any clarifications.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    It's complicated isn't it?!
    I have always been a fan of natural over processed. I use butter and not margarine etc, but I am guilty of heading towards the artificial sweetener since surgery. I use a water enhancer too and have some "sugar free" syrups that I put into my oats. I don't sweeten tea and I don't drink coffee so not an issue there.
    What about using the natural sweeteners - honey etc?
    Maybe you are right, for the small amount used perhaps refined over artificial might be ok.
    I'm sure someone will come along with some thoughts.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    I hope so Lisa.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
    I am strongly thinking about tossing all of that artificial crap.
    Maybe a will keep my water enhancers, or maybe I can buy some organic fruit juice and put just a tiny amount in my water.
    But I feel like all those artificial stuff is not good either.
    I could be dead wrong though.
    I also switched to real butter instead of margarine...

    It's complicated.
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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    I wish I knew the answer. I don't use either often, so I guess I won't worry.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    I hope Sandra comes along.
    Her wisdom and knowledge is very needed here.
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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    stevia is made from a sweet plant...try it I like it...
    started my treadmill today that helps..


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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    There is also a lot of highly processed junk out there, that is said to be Stevia.
    It is hard to tell the difference.
    And I am not really fond of the taste...
    I use it, but I don't really like it.
    English is not my first language, so I may and do make mistakes in my spelling, or say things oddly. Please ask me, if you want any clarifications.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    I also know that sugar is highly addictive.
    But now I start to wonder: what exactly triggers that addiction?
    Is it the endorfine in our brain, that is triggered by the sugar intake?
    I think, that is the same with artificial sugars.
    So, is sugar more addictive than sweeteners?
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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    If I am adding it to my coffee I use Splenda (artificial sweetener). I do eat some things that have sugar in them. I try to limit it but I do have both sugar and sweeteners some times. I try to eat mostly healthy and I exercise and that helps keep it all in check. I would think small amounts of sugar are ok. The best foods are obviously natural, whole foods. The least processed the better. I do my best but I do eat processed foods. I just try to keep a tight control on my weight.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchie View Post
    What are your thoughts on this?
    Why not eat the refined sugar, if that small amount is all I use and the body does not know the difference?
    My favorite sugar and the only one I use at home (and that's not often) is raw organic brown cane sugar.

    My short answer about sugar and artificial sweeteners : if you want sweet, since all are going to involve an insulin response from your body, try to go natural, but also look at a nutriment point of view. Raw sugar does have some vitamins and minerals, refined sugar is empty.

    On the same natural note, honey can also be a good option since you can find some great organic honey that will offer some benefice (like organic honey from lavender or thyme have healing properties) and the best honey, really expensive but so great is indeed the amazing manuka honey. That honey can heal people and is used in hospitals, it's that good!

    People are today always talking about glycemic index, and raw sugar and honey are much lower compare to white sugar. But between all the nut classes I took over the years, the point of view also changed, and today we talk more about ratio.

    Anyway, on the natural note you also have agave,has low glycemic index (I used it a little to drink coffee too acidic at work last year, did help since acidic food is a no no for me). Some people use stevia or monk fruit powder, I tried those before the sleeve, don't like the taste. The good thing about those, it's natural but also has a glycemic index around zero.

    But we are here in the same artificial sweetener insulin issue. Because the taste of sweet will trigger insulin anyway. Whatever the sweetener.

    My personal and weird experience about artificial sweetener : when I was like 9 years old my parents did put me on really strict diets, and I had no access to any type of sugar, but instead everything was coated in saccharin. It was the 70s and my parents had no clue about nutrition, they just followed the flow. I never lost weight with their crazy diets, was starving (indeed since I was drowning under insulin!), and that fake sugar that was first created to help when Europe was under sugar shortage after the war, had been proven to give cancer.
    No wonder after all the bad food I had when growing up,that my health is so messed up today.

    And years later, if by accident I drink something with artificial sweetener, I can get like really sick with allergic reactions...so I avoid it like the plague.

    I was loosing weight when using organic agave at work in my coffee, and it never made me hungry.

    When I had cake two weeks ago and felt sick (acute joint pain) the next day, it was an expensive "designer cake" made with white sugar by "professionals".

    I baked a (100% organic) banana cake for my kid one month ago, had a little piece to try it, I used organic unrefined cane sugar and the next day I was fine.

    I think today questioning our sugar intake is completely understandable because we get so many conflicting infos from everywhere, but at the end of the day, it's only two teaspoons per day for you so it's really not much, my advice would be to go natural with something you like, and feel good about it!

    PS : I also understand that drinking only water can be tricky after the sleeve, and home made flavored water with cucumber or organic berries is a good option. I would use lime or lemon if my stomach was not in trouble.
    When I drink herbal tea, I sometimes use one teaspoon of honey for 1/2 liter so I can drink more of it if the taste is not that great..


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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    No big answers here from me, but this ...

    You said: "The body reacts to all these forms of sweets in the same way, it does not make the distinction between artificial, processed or natural.
    It will store the "sugars" as fat."

    I've read that, heard that, seen that ... but I have absolutely no idea whether it is true or not. Or if it's true for some people and not for others. Or if it's partially true, depending on the volume of sugar and sugar-substitutes (and which substitutes) you're talking about.

    For me, I KNOW that eating a lot of white sugar makes me want to eat a lot more white sugar. But putting Torani sugar-free French vanilla syrup in my coffee does NOT want me to eat a lot more Torani sugar-free French vanilla stuff; nor does it make me start craving white sugar.

    So for me, I'm happy putting Torani sugar-free French vanilla syrup in my morning non-fat lattes.

    As I often say, others' mileage may vary. But this is what my experience has been.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    Sugar is the devil, but I need it in my coffee and a little in my oatmeal I'm afraid of the artificial sweetners. I've tried stevia (yuck); however, I am looking for ways to sweeten my coffee so I may try the Torani syrup that Ann2 has mentioned.



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    I don't think we have that syrup where I live...
    I think I'll look for that organic raw cane sugar Sandra mentioned.
    But that will be the same problem, not easy to find.
    I have agave syrup, I use that in my brownies and other things.
    I don't like the taste of honey, but I found a relatively nice one from Crete here in Greece, where we are currently.
    It's still a puzzle...
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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    Luckily, I am not too much of a sweets person. For me, its all about the carbs! I could eat NOTHING but pasta, rice, potatoes and bread for the rest of my life (if I had NO concerns about weight or health, that is). In my opinion, natural is better than synthetic. I think honey, stevia, or agave are better options, in that order. I had a coworker who had a stevia plant and used to use the leaves (in some way) as a sugar substitute. Also, as stated earlier, manuka honey is incredible. It is frequently used in wound care because of its natural healing properties and antimicrobial/anti-inflammatory actions. Some even consider it a superfood. What other sweetener can boast that? Unfortunately, cost can be an issue and all manuka honeys are not created equal.

    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/...dicinal-uses#2

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/24/healt...ner/index.html

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318298.php



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    Default Re: Refined sugar/ artificial sweeteners/ natural sugars, what to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenson View Post
    Sugar is the devil, but I need it in my coffee and a little in my oatmeal I'm afraid of the artificial sweetners. I've tried stevia (yuck); however, I am looking for ways to sweeten my coffee so I may try the Torani syrup that Ann2 has mentioned.
    The sugar free Torani syrup has sucralose (Splenda?) in it's ingredients. I learned that the hard way when the place where I used to pick up my coffee switched from the regular Hazelnut to the "sugar free" without notifying anyone...it took my immune system less than three minutes to start the firework...


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