interesting article in the NYT

[Sandra3]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/he...loss.html?_r=0

[Muted_Tummy]

I got this in my FB feed today....dismayed that there are no conclusions here and no comparison to those who undergo WLS.

[jaimaroo]

Thank you for the post. It was a very interesting read. Also, it is nice to see that obesity is finally being recognized as a disease. Kinda takes some of the self-deprivation off the table.

[redliner]

Good article, and somewhat scary. Will the same happen to us? I have to admit I did not read the whole article, but I read a much shorter piece on this same topic earlier today - http://www.vulture.com/2016/05/study...oss-fails.html This shorter article ends with .... "Researchers are still investigating why these sorts of programs fail, while procedures such as bariatric surgery allow people to keep off weight." Whew. Hopefully that means all our hard work is not for nothing.

[RehabNurse]

I got this in my FB feed today....dismayed that there are no conclusions here and no comparison to those who undergo WLS.

Click on the link below to read a blog post by nephrologist Dr. Jason Fung. It describes in detail the metabolic changes that occur with weight loss surgery compared to the Biggest Loser diet. In essence, our metabolisms plummet temporarily with bariatric surgery, but then return to normal in a varied amount of time.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.c...st-loser-diet/

[MargeB]

Two things here: Technically, 1200 calories a day is starvation mode (see 1944 study done using nonobese conscientious objectors). Over a prolonged period of time, that permanently lowers the metabolism, according to the Times article (btw - too few subjects to be scientifically significant). One of the reasons the sleeve works (and they did mention that one of the former competitors had the sleeve after he regained weight) is that we are permanently limited in the amount of food we can eat at one time. This makes it easier for use to stay at a lower calorie range. Most people at goal are eating significantly less than 2000-2,500 calories (which would be normal for a person with moderate exercise). The sleeve helps us stay at that 400-500 less a day permanently if we let it

[sasweet1]

Super interesting article!! Thanks for posting it. It makes it look almost impossible to keep the weight off.....without WLS!!

[Ann2]

Great article! Thanks for posting it, Sandra.

I don't think WLS surgery does the same thing to us that The Biggest Loser does to its poor folks' metabolism. For the record, I despise that fucking program for so many reasons!

But back to my point ... for one thing, none of us are in a TBL kind of calorie deficit. If they're exercising 9,000 cals/day -- or even 3,000 cals/day -- that's nothing like most of us are doing.

I lost a LOT slower than TBL folks do! Heck, I'd have been kicked off the TBL island the first week based on my rate of weight loss. I lost 20 pounds in the 3 months before WLS. Then my weight losses averaged 10 pounds/month the first 4 months post-op. Then about 7 pounds/month during months 5-6, then 5 pounds/month during months 7-8. Then 1.5 pounds/month for 9 months for the last 15 pounds.

I'm now averaging 1800 cals/day (and 90-100 grams protein/day) to maintain at 135 pounds. I can live with this kind of metabolism for the rest of my life ... easily!

I really feel for those guys!

[sasweet1]

I agree with you, Ann2. I hate that show. The exercise regime that they put those people through is completely impossible to sustain and live a normal life. You wouldn't be able to hold down a job, spend any time with your family and friends, maintain your home, working in your garden, read a book....none of the things that give life meaning. There are much healthier, less spirit destroying ways to loose weight. It's no wonder the Graduates can't sustain their weightloss. It was a very interesting article though....and thought provoking.